Tuesday, April 11, 2006

Objects emerging from lesion on child's lip are Kleenex fibers

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Morgellons.org has, for a long time (since 2002), shown two pictures titled:

Objects emerging from lesion on child's lip at 200x

The two photos were probably taken with a QX3 microscope, and have an image size of 512x384 pixels (standard size for QX3 and QX5 microscopes) and they exhibit the characteristic lighting of QX microscopes.

Here is one of the photos from Morgellons.org:



Here is a photo I took on a QX5 at 200x



Notice the similarities. The size of the "structures" are almost identical. They exhibit a characteristic "flattening" in places. They have similar lengths, thickness and variety.

What are they? Kleenex tissue, stained with blood.

Here's the same thing at 10x




The only difference here is in the color, which can be accounted for by the lighting, and the amount of blood soaked into the sample. Mine just had a tiny bit of blood on it, so the fibers are not fully soaked.

So, the fibers that were found in a lesion on a child lip look exactly like Kleenex soaked in blood. Does it seem at all unlikely that if you (or your child) has some seeping lesions on their lip, then they might at some time dab them with a Kleenex, perhaps leaving a few fibers?

Morgellons.org also says the fibers "have tentatively been identified as cellulose". What is Kleenex made from? Cellulose (refined from wood pulp).

While this does not explain the dark fibers in other photos, it's an obvious and simple explanation for the "Objects emerging from a lesion", and Morgellons.org should no longer be claiming that these are somehow unusual, unidentified, hyphae-like structures.

They look exactly like Kleenex fibers, soaked in blood. That's probably what they are.

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46 Comments:

At 1:22 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

so why dont you tell us who's payroll you are on. On second thought, why not come and give me a hug if you feel so confident in your analysis.

Disinformation specialist right out in the open. so who is it? Merck? pfizer? Hmm who are you? all my money on the bet that that answer is quite interesting. for you readers other than this sites owner, here's a few simple facts and why I believe this guy is an industry specialist.


1 The medical world, esp. big pharm. are huge industries. The goal of industry, all industry, is profit. so in a nutshell.

Industry=generation of $ with profit as goal

2 ALL INDUSTRIES ARE AS SELF SERVING AS CAN BE.

3 research depends on budget.

4 biomedical AND pharm. Industries provide the majority of research groups with their budget.

Therefore all research is controlled for self serving reasons, with very few exceptions to this rule.

5 laboratory and other research results are shared only if they are part of subsidized research. This represents capital investment on the part of industry.


So... It is safe to assume that unfavorable research will not be funded.


6 There are many out there who's work is either shut down or suddenly has funds cut because of controversy or negitive effects on industry profit margin.

watch the video at www.silentsuperbug.com

so how do these relate to the initial conclusions based on the video?


this element(organism) is genetically manipulated. How would the acknowledgement of this affect or benefit industry

the reality is, the result would devistate the industry. AND, if not forced, who would perform this task?. They realise what this agent represents to thier livelyhood, thats where guys like this sites host come in.

they are paid by industry to negate, confuse, and otherwise make a mockery of those suffering. And believe me, this illness is a bitch to live with.


some day pal, myself or someone else will get their hands on you. it is called karma, and even though this illness is the pits, it still beats having to look in the mirror and see what you do everday.

this genetically manipulated specie has become commensal AND DIFFERENTIATES--this means a single pathogen is able to cause several seemingly different diseases.

DISEASE=$ for Industry. there are no arguments here concerning this fact

And Generally speaking.....

Degenerative disease is of our day, meaning new and emerging. Indeed, the exploitation of an otherwise healthy body is becoming very common.

To cure is not profitable, but to treat the effects(symptoms) is now everyday life and generating BILLIONS on top OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS by simply selling symptom suppressive drugs for the life of who needs them.

that this bug will most likely link to many of these types of diseases and other antibiotic resistent maladies of our day. All of them ENORMOUS capital machines.

Hence, until a money machine equal to the current one is thought of or discovered that would also benifits us, the infected, funding for research will never be granted.

If one pathogen is worth a billion dollars, Then a differentiating pathogen must be worth many billions of $.

This bug is a money maker.

As stated, Unfavorable research will never be funded by industry. Those who continue work on these types of things are either persecuted(e.g. Dr Schwartz) or their findings are bought by the industry and not reported. e.g. Vioxx.

Do you believe that industry is unrepresented in forum groups such as this one? You would be foolish to believe they are not,



These realities are incredibly important to bear in mind when reading or viewing any new information which becomes available. The bottom line is that the general public must begin asking questions about this disorder without having to become infected themselves.

 
At 7:41 AM, Blogger Margellons said...

How can you tell it is genetically modified?

 
At 1:12 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kleenx fibres??!! you fool, you Tool.

Here are some 'kleenex' fibres I got out of my arm. Care to look, or do you rightly fear.

A hug, yes a hug, a group hug, maybe you just need a hug, ..'cmere ya lil varmint' lol.

You know not where you tread nor the nature of the arena.

I learn, I write, I do, for the sake of the children, who need not know this hell.

But you... 'cmere ya lil varmint, lol, I just wanna huuuuug'.

:)


http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/fighorfly
/detail?.dir=6320&.dnm=e06a.jpg&.src=ph


http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/fighorfly
/detail?.dir=6320&.dnm=5898.jpg&.src=ph


- Fighorfly.

 
At 8:41 AM, Blogger Margellons said...

I looked at your photos. You've got Tinea (and probably something else). Tinea causes the small pustules, and the flaking off skin. The fibers are environmental, and will naturally get attached to and embedded in the dead skin areas. So, no, it's not Kleenex.

 
At 5:36 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where is your evidence to support your claim that the fibres are environmental. How can you make that judgement from a photo? How dare you dismiss the opinion of soemone who is living with it?

 
At 5:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just take the hug that you have been offered and then start a new blog - "Forget the Kleenex - THERE ARE FIBRES EMERGING FROM MY SKIN!!"

 
At 10:15 AM, Blogger Margellons said...

All I was saying was that the fibers in the morgellons.org photo look EXACTLY the same size, shape and consistency as Kleenex fibers soaked in blood. Many other photos look like something different.

 
At 2:44 AM, Blogger Smileykins said...

Kleenex sounds good to me. All I've been amazed at, over those photos,
is making something out of a kid having chapped lips from drooling in his sleep, and getting (what appeared to me as being logical, having done it in childhood, myself), blanket fuzz stuck to his mouth. Who hasn't had a kid and been-there-done-that! How about the blister on his heel with what...sock fuzz? The child is faring quite well now, and the founder of the organization has never shared with her beloveds how he got better, so they can all follow suit.

Imagine how these people must react to friends and family that try to reason with them in person. They speak so directly abusively, and excuse themselves as having a right to!

So rational, and so mature. They're the only people to ever have something to disable them and not know what it is, or have cure for it. That gives them a right to go off like they do.

 
At 2:43 PM, Blogger Tall Cotton said...

How do you know that child didn't have a cast on his lips to keep the blanket fuzz out.

 
At 12:12 AM, Anonymous Fighorfly said...

FYI

He was Loved by many.


Travis Allen Wilson

Appeared: 2006-04-26

Travis Allen Wilson, born on December 29, 1982, died on Sunday, April 23, 2006, at the age of 23 from complications of Lyme disease and Morgellons disease. Travis was born in Olympia and lived most of his life in Shelton. He lived for a time in Tenino, and for the past three years had resided in Leander, Texas. He is survived by his mother, Lisa Wilson, of the family home in Leander; father, Mark Wilson, of Shelton; sister, Trisha Wilson, of Herndon, Virginia; great- grandparents, John and Mary Thompson, of Rainier, Oregon and St. Petersburg, Florida; and numerous aunts, uncles, cousins, and friends. Viewing will be at McComb Funeral Home in Shelton on Friday, April 28, 2006, from 12:00 noon until 5:00 p.m. A Funeral Service will be held at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 916 North 12th Street, Shelton, on Saturday, April 29, 2006, at 10:00 a.m., with burial to follow at Miller Cemetery in Agate, outside of Shelton. A gathering will follow at the Shelton home of Mimi Cook. Memorial donations may be made to the Morgellons Research Foundation, P.O. Box 16576, Surfside Beach, South Carolina, 29587. Arrangements are under the direction of McComb Funeral Home, Shelton, Washington.

 
At 2:42 PM, Blogger Tall Cotton said...

Figorfly,

It's very sad that Travis has died. But the truth is important, and it's very important that people understand that morgellons is not a disease. It's also important that people understand that Travis' death was not a direct result of Lyme Disease or complications of a mysterious condition that has been mis-labeled as Morgellon Disease. Freedom is the result of Truth, and the acceptance of it.

Also, just so everyone will know, Travis is not the child under discussion. That child is very much alive and doing quite well.

Anonymous,

Don't flatter yourself by suggesting that Merck or Pfizer would ever consider the research of the Morgies a threat. They don't even know you exist! Besides, if anyone is promoting big pharm it's people like you that squander your savings purchasing pharmacheuticals you don't need.

Tall Cotton

Tall Cotton

 
At 4:12 PM, Blogger Tall Cotton said...

One thing that confuses the issue is the way that Mary, from the Morgellons Research Foundation, describes the fibers as if they were all alike. They are clearly not all of the same type. Some of the Scattered Emission Micrographs at her website appear the fungal hyphae of Wangiella. Check Google Images of Hyphae. Wangiella is also pictured with the hyphae at AltaVista.

Other micrographs appear to be paper or rayon. Paper is constructed of hollow cellulose tubes and rayon is constructed of solid cellulose rods. The round "beads" within the fibers are nothing more than reflected light. Hair without it's pigmentation will also produce the internal "beads". I think it's quite reasonable to think that some of these images are Kleenex or blanket fuzz.

Tall Cotton

 
At 4:28 PM, Blogger Smileykins said...

Travis openly, and privately, communicated that he did not FEEL loved by many. Fighorfly, you've tried using his memory to achieve something here, on an unrelated topic.

Cheers, Yagermeister. May better days lie ahead.

 
At 8:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Travis Wilson killed himself.

 
At 6:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a doctor.
Morgellons is a fraud...
nothing more than lint and hypochondriasis.

This disease is on a par with chronic fatigue syndrome and should be treated with topical reassurance and anti-psychotics.

Regards.

 
At 11:48 AM, Blogger Smileykins said...

Great short and sweet answer, there, Doc. Once they get that taken care of, they can fix the rest. Trouble is, they don't want to. They've got something to believe in. Why are they complaining? If we only knew.

 
At 7:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh really.

I like how the doc shows up to confirm its all in the head.


Dumb ass.

http.www.ntcreasearch.org/pdf-rpts/AnRp00/m00-d03.pdf


Hey doc,

These bio engineers are light years ahead of you. Dont think they will tell you what they have created in the lab intentionally or accidently.

 
At 8:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"im a Doctor"

oh I see, Doctor=expert.

Expert says crazy=expert must be right.

Expert fails to understand bioengineers have created problems that experts dont understand therefore blames the patient so he doesnt look like a dumbass.

http:www.ntcresearch.org/pdf-rpts
AnRp00/00-d03.pdf

University of Dartmouth.

"Developement of bioactive fibers"

 
At 10:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Doctor.

I worry about people like you that "treat" people.

Seriously, that is a disturbing throught that you use a phrase like that to presribe a pshycotropic drug.


For fuck sake you and peer related review bullshit. You all sound the same including the three running this site.

This is no different than your unneccesary use of statin drugs, antidepressents, and impotence drugs. Brings in good cash dont it Doc. Especially when you keep the patient legally fucked up for a long period of time.

More and more drugs.

Doctors now the 3rd cause of mortality in the United States as reported by your own American Medical Association. Doctor Mercola also posts it on his site. Have a look.

 
At 12:57 AM, Blogger Smileykins said...

Someone keeps insisting on wearing their insanity on their sleeve.

 
At 1:23 AM, Blogger Tall Cotton said...

Anonymous,

Have you stopped to consider how many people would die prematurely if we didn't have doctors. I'm sure they save a hell of a lot more than they kill. Everyone makes mistakes, even you. But what Smileykins said is so true. You wear your insanity on your sleeve. I guess you think that your theories are correct, and that those of the rest of the "Morgies" are not. Why don't you go argue with Spec. She's convinced that Morgellons is cause by the platyhelminth blood fluke, Schistosoma. Of course, she's just as insane as you are.

Tall Cotton

 
At 2:06 AM, Anonymous Thinky said...

Could this be some type of creepy tropical plant the Mexicans are bringing in? It looks like roots to me.

 
At 2:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smileykins, tall cotton and margellons.


Answer and respond to the document I posted. Theres more where that came from.


http://www/ntcresearch.org/pdf-rpts/
AnRp00/m00-d03.pdf


Why dont you call the University of Dartmouth insane for embedding bio modified e-coli into textiles?

Any basic student of biology will tell you that e-coli, especially bio modified e-coli does not belong on the outside of the body.

This may explain why people have longstanding infections with bizzare symptoms.

I want you to respond to the document. The three of you.

And I want to hear something intellegent out of the three of you and not this parasitical dilusional bullshit you sling around when your backed in a corner.

RESPOND TO THE DOCUMENT

 
At 9:02 PM, Blogger Tall Cotton said...

Let's stick with the facts. I'm not interested in your theories.

Tall Cotton

 
At 5:18 AM, Blogger Smileykins said...

Thinky,
thinky a little less abstract, and reel yourself back in.

Anonymous,
"RESPOND TO THE DOCUMENT"....Tall Cotton and Smileykins probably did, at one time or another, in the past. Sorry, but no thank you. We are not afraid of our clothes, and if we were, we'd join a nudist colony.

 
At 3:57 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No but you will technically debunk every other theory wont you.

Except the one that intimidates you.

Then its:

"oh we read that a long time ago".

Your lying.

Christians arent supposed to lie remember.

So when you tell people they "lie" remember that. I can force a lie out of you to show yourself your no Goddamn better than anyone when you preach to from your pulpit.

You never read it. Thats why it took you 3 days and a demand for you to respond.

Lost in your memory
my ass.


Just cant accept the fact that a bio modified fiber can be created in the lab with all the good DNA from gods green earth can ya.

Gods creation right?

YOu have no idea what we can do in the lab do you? You havent even begun to understand everything we are doing.

"clothing materials are generally bio friendly and sources of heat, moisture and even NUTRIENTS for cellular microdevices and are ALL READILY AVAILBLE FROM THE HUMAN BODY"

University of Dartmouth

Ever wonder why those fibers autoflouresce that are pulled from the skin?

Bio engineered e-coli bacteria spliced with genes from many creatures. Is it any wonder why people get longstanding infections.

But according to you and your cohorts everyone is an excoriator and does this too himself and the only way to alieviate the problem is to listen to gods little helper, smileykins and get physcotropic drugs.

Didnt you agree with the Doctor when he made the comment. You didnt say some need it and some dont. You praised the doctor for making that sweeping statement.

Pull your head out of your ass because there is alot you dont know.

 
At 4:03 PM, Blogger Margellons said...

Well, what is your theory? All you've done is post a link to a paper that theoretically describes how to to make better odor-eaters.

The theoretical bacteria, described in that link, live on fibers, they do not make fibers.

What is your theory?

 
At 7:49 PM, Blogger Godshammer said...

My friend.

When will you learn.

We can grow fibers in the lab.

Its that simple.

 
At 7:52 PM, Blogger Godshammer said...

Theoritical bacteria huh?

Whats a matter didnt reading it in black white sink in?

This technology is already in place and being used. The manufacturers lined up for licensing rights before they were even done with the project in the year 2000.

 
At 8:26 PM, Blogger Margellons said...

Erm... So we now have better odor eaters?

 
At 8:50 PM, Blogger Godshammer said...

Well guy If you like e-coli on your skin the next time you take a dump dont wash your hands, just wipe it on your body like the cook at the restaurant who cooks your food.

E-coli doesnt belong on the outside of the skin. This particular bacteria will cause many problems in the body. On the outside and on the inside.

Any basic student of biology knows this.

Why dont you?

 
At 9:20 PM, Blogger Margellons said...

Most strains of E. coli are harmless, as you know, our bodies depend on E.coli for our source of Vitamin K and B-complex vitamins.

Perhaps you were thinking specifically of E.coli 0157:H7, which is PROBABLY NOT the strain they are using for odor eaters.

Tell me, why would clothing manufacturers create clothing that would make you sick?

Don't you think they would think of this?

What do they have to gain?

 
At 10:37 PM, Blogger bendoverandkissyourass said...

1111 West 17th Street
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898
918-582-1972
May 15, 2006
Re: Morgellons Disease
From: Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D., Department of Pharmacology & Physiology
Rhonda Casey, D.O., Department of Pediatrics
Oklahoma State University Center for Health Sciences
Tulsa, Oklahoma
Dear Practitioner,
This letter concerns a patient population that manifests a particular set of symptoms we have encountered
with increasing frequency, and that OSU-CHS is actively researching. The condition has been labeled as
Morgellons Disease and it is unclear if this is a single disease or a multi-faceted syndrome. Until recently, most of
these patients have been grouped as a subset of the diagnosis of Delusions of Parasites (delusional parasitosis;
DOP). After obtaining careful patient histories and thorough physical exam, we have determined that Morgellons
patients have several important distinctions ruling out the diagnosis of DOP.
This population of patients frequently exhibit the following symptoms:
• Distinct and poorly healing skin lesions with unusually thick, membranous scarring upon eventual healing.
• Moderate to extreme pruritis at sites of lesions as well as un-erupted skin.
• Microscopic examination of these lesions will most often reveal the presence of unusual fibers, which may be
black, blue or red. These fibers, which many healthcare providers initially thought to be textile
contaminants, are often present in the deep tissue of biopsies obtained from unbroken skin of individuals
with this condition. Careful examination of these fibers further reveals that they are frequently associated
with hair follicles, and are definitely not textile in origin.
• Most of these patients suffer from a host of neurological symptoms which can vary in severity from mild to
severe. These neurological symptoms include peripheral tingling, paresthesias and varying degrees of motor
involvement which appear to progress.
• Intermittent cognitive and behavioral status changes are often observed and also seem to progress with the
severity of disease. This is often referred to as “brain fog” by the patient as they experience a waxing and
waning of this symptom.
• Laboratory findings in these patients are variable, but often reveal eosinophilia and elevated levels of
Immunoglobin E.
• Other symptoms of varying severity and frequency have been described, and are included in the attached
case definition.
Morgellons patients differ from classical, delusional parasitosis patients in several areas. They do not respond to
antipsychotics, and new lesions continue to appear upon complete cessation of manual excoriation.
Due to the sensation of foreign material in their tissue, that has been described as sharp, stinging and/or splinterlike,
the patient may have discovered the fibers prior to seeking medical care, and may bring them to your office for
examination. Please do not assume that the patient's problem is purely psychological based on this propensity.
Many of these patients may appear skeptical of traditional medical care due to frequent dismissal of their
symptoms in the past. The combination of suffering from a chronic disease with distressful symptoms and no known
cause or cure can cause some patients to appear anxious or agitated.
We encourage you to take the time to carefully interview any patient who may fall into this category, perform
any testing you may deem appropriate, and most importantly treat the patient with compassion and dignity.
Sincerely,
Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D. Rhonda Casey, D.O.
Director of Research, Associate Professor of Pediatrics
Morgellons Research Foundation
Assistant Professor of Pharmacology
Oklahoma State University
Center for Health Sciences
1111 West 17th Steet
Tulsa, Oklahoma 74107-1898
email: morgellons@okstate.edu
Morgellons Information Line: (877) 599-7999
www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/index.cfm

 
At 5:26 AM, Blogger southcity said...

most simply cannot fathom the ramifications of such a disclosure. The infectious agent causing this is caused by a stray target (nondisclosed) created by experimental research done under a C3 permit by a proteomics research center. In other words it is a man made creation which has escaped containment. This target was created for research into artificial skin, wound dressing as well as cancer research tools. This is a military issue of high caliber, enough so to be defended by many parties, hence all the conflicting reports and otherwise lack of any credible information. The microscopic images shown in the video found at www.crossinglines.net (follow the links) is completely out of my area of expertise, I am not a microbiologist. However the Macroscopic images shown and this agents interaction with host are EXACTLY the same thing I am able to show on my own body to anyone that will listen and would like to look. For photos of the fibers, follow these links.
http://www.crossinglines.net/Host%20pathogen%20interaction%201.jpg
http://www.crossinglines.net/Host%20pathogen%20interaction%202.jpg

for the picts showing the dissemination in skin follow these links.

http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin.jpg

http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%202.jpg

http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%203.jpg

http://www.crossinglines.net/dessemination%20in%20skin%204.jpg



Pictures of typical lesions
http://www.crossinglines.net/Typical%20lesions%20Random%20pattern.jpg
http://crossinglines.net/lesion%20photographs.htm series of slides.


Picture of the synthetic polymer showing random recombination.
http://crossinglines.net/quorum%20sensing%20organism%20part1%20HQ%20015_0001.jpg
http://crossinglines.net/photo_gallery.htm series of slides.

Culture
http://crossinglines.net/quorum%20sensing%20organism%20part1%20HQ%20017_0003.jpg

and finally the most common thing reported and seen by those suffering from this is the fibers seen outside the body. One can put fresh sparkling clean sheets on their bed, shower and scrub fanatically, go from shower to bed, then wake up to find these structures in bed with them. I am not kidding when I say these were not in the bed when you got in it. http://www.crossinglines.net/pic_of_moving_fuzz.jpg
The video compiled by a scientist in Europe can be viewed by following the links at www.crossinglines.net. If you are a scientist or research professional, please share your comments concerning what you are seeing in this, as I have said, only the macroscopic images mean anything to me and would love some qualified remarks concerning the microscopic images.

From what I understand the reasons for the lack of acknowledgement from the medical community is a political as can be. Once the uninfected general public becomes aware of the release of this thing into public space, reactions may become unpredictable. Also, the economic problems which will be sure to follow. Everything these days is genomic/ proteomic research related—from the paint on the door to the food on your plate. In fact, several hundred billion a year in the US alone. Also it appears that even though this seems to be a accidental release, this accident is being “nurtured” by big pharm with obvious goal of the need for lifelong suppressive therapy.

The video’s creators have also stated that this element is differentiating. Meaning it is the cause of several seemingly unrelated diseases. If a single pathogen is worth a billion dollars to the medical industry then this pathogen is worth 10’s of billions. This bug is a money maker and we are all at the mercy of the medical industry. The key word to concentrate on here is INDUSTRY. All industry is profit orientated and this should scare the bejeebbers out of you. Hence the lack of motivation to fund research into this disorder. It will without doubt prove that these industries focus primarily on the effects of disease and not the cause of them. To cure is not profitable, but to treat over and over again is. Look at the treatments HIV patients must take for life in order to stay alive.

A pathogen represents billions and to take a cause of disease away is a disaster for many.

More to follow, my damn fingers hurt and I stink at typing.

Southcity

 
At 5:10 AM, Blogger QueenBugB said...

" The medical world, esp. big pharm. are huge industries. The goal of industry, all industry, is profit. so in a nutshell."

Yeah yeah yeah, there's not true altruism... whatever....


"2 ALL INDUSTRIES ARE AS SELF SERVING AS CAN BE."

Of course, or they'd be in another industry.

"research depends on budget."
Would you go to your job for free?

"5 laboratory and other research results are shared only if they are part of subsidized research. This represents capital investment on the part of industry."

Since when? Research results are shared when somebody publishes them. Nothing to do with budget.


"So... It is safe to assume that unfavorable research will not be funded."

No, it's safe to assume that unfeasable research is not funded.


"6 There are many out there who's work is either shut down or suddenly has funds cut because of controversy or negitive effects on industry profit margin."

And there's many that keep on going, what's your point?

I see pictures, pictures, pictures from you people. Does no one have a video camera to take a picture of it actually happening?

 
At 8:13 PM, Blogger Smileykins said...

Queenbugb, you just broke a rule. We're not allowed to ask questions.

 
At 6:49 AM, Blogger southcity said...

the point is that the medical community was once looked upon as a social service. Now the only motivation is profit.

 
At 8:02 AM, Blogger Margellons said...

There are 500,000 doctors in the US. Surely some of them care about other people. What about when their relatives get sick? What about pro bono work? Is it all part of a conspiracy to make money from Morgellons?

 
At 4:25 PM, Blogger southcity said...

there is no conspiracy. The facts are right in front of you to look at. Vioxx, lipitor etc etc. unless you are a relative or friend I guarantee you will not recieve more than 10 to 20 minutes (at most) with any physician per visit, UNLESS you are diagnosed with an illness that is a proven profit generator. ie cancer, heart problems and other operable ailments. otherwise you are in or you are out or shuffled to other specialists for testing etc. They have an incredibly high workload just like any other profession and as in any industry, time efficiency is second only to the focus on profitability, hence the reason for the medical world being ranked so high in the mortality index. Don't get me wrong, there are some very good doctors out there that do care about an individual, but they are all faced with time restraints per client. Now if you are unlucky enough to be uninsured.... Thats another ball game entirely.

 
At 4:28 PM, Blogger southcity said...

by the way, Why are you not allowed to ask questions and who made that rule? seems incredibly stupid if in fact you are trying to give an objective view on any issue, let alone one of such importance. It appears you have shown yourselves to be completely closed to discussion and indeed do have an agenda other than what you have stated.

 
At 5:29 PM, Blogger Margellons said...

Smileykins was joking about the "don't ask questions" thing. I think she was alluding to the uncritical atmosphere of forums such as Lymebusters - where hard questions are ridiculed or deleted.

 
At 5:42 PM, Blogger Margellons said...

You say there is no conspiracy. But they you imply that the doctors know what Morgellons is, but they know that the treatment will not make the pharmacuticle companies prifits bigger, so they ignore the suffering of their patients.

What exactly is the doctor getting out of this arrangement? The doctor is paid by the insurance company. How does the doctor benefit from this arrangement?

 
At 9:47 PM, Blogger southcity said...

sorry for the confusion. The doctors dont know what this is, they are only now starting to notice the number of people showing these symptoms which in the past have been textbook DOP. This is where the problem has been. two minutes with them and they send you on your way and get to the next patient. case closed. The number of people reporting this are now beginning to stir an interest by these physicians and from now on this issue will continue to gain importance and priority. What I have claimed is that this is a product of experimental microbiology loose in public space and yes there are some who are very much so aware of this and will defend the issue simply because of possible effect it may have on the biotech fields as a whole as well as global economy. This is not a small issue. I have been told the release of this thing appears to have been accidental, however, the politics involved with such a disclosure and said ramifications have allowed a situation where this most likely will become a huge cash cow for the R&D sectors as well as big pharma. With this in mind it is easy to imagine this things spread being "nurtured" along to those ends. But this is simply speculation.

Much needs to be discovered and disclosed for sure, and all information gathered by those that made the video have not yet been made public but certainly will be in time.

On a personal note, I read your biography and I am glad to know that you have your addiction under control and what you had thought to be morgellons was in fact related to the meth. I can tell you that this illness(morgellons) is like no other before seen and if you do become infected there is absolutely no way to mistake it for anything else. Its bad and it is spreading with many of those infected asymptomatic at this time. I believe that with time, it will be shown that what we are seeing now is simply the tip of the iceburg, and I have never wanted to be wrong quite this badly.

 
At 10:02 PM, Blogger Margellons said...

I don't have a biography. Who are you referring to?

 
At 10:51 PM, Blogger southcity said...

sorry, i had you confused with someone going by the name tall cotton.

http://of-morgellons.blogspot.com/

"My name is Tall Cotton, and Smileykins is my future bride. She's very beautiful, and I'm very proud of her. She's been on a long and painful path, but she's getting stronger every day. While she was working to restore her own health, she helped me to restore mine. I am an ex-methamphetamine addict. I am also an ex-morgie."

 
At 12:07 PM, Blogger Soror said...

Kudos to Kleenex guy. You're right, they DO look similar, remarkably so...although it is not an expert analysis by any means, it's a start at debunking this crap, and I like that.

Memes have been around for hundreds of years in hundreds of forms. What better breeding ground than a medicinal, conspiracy-ridden culture, a television generation who is just LOOKING for something to excuse the way they've become?

I'm with the doctors on this one...hoax built up out of the desires of hypocondriacs.

Oh yeah, and that video? I especially liked that you have NO Idea what the guy is actually saying, you have to trust the translator (if translation is what that is) therefore you have NO CLUE what he's actually showing you or what the effects are. We also have NO information about this guy's credentials aside from the fact that he's standing in a lab wearing a white coat...

Great...that's real quality work. Another thing: Morgellon's 'sufferers' are exactly that. They are NOT medical professionals, they do NOT have medical training or even scientific training. Some claim to, some make huge claims of their accomplishments online, but this video is meant to spread nothing but hysteria and justification. Sufferers are Belivers...there is no critical thinking in that paradigm...only the need to be justified. These videos show you picture after picture with no reference as to what they are, accompanied by screaming children in the background. Awfully fucking subtle.

Quoting the second video at www.silentsuperbug.com: "Novel environmentally resistant pathogenic and contagious stem cell related man made synthetic quorum sensing micro organisms." - How Lone Gunman are we going to go here? Occam's Razor this, and what you end up with is far more believable than the above stated, most imporantly CONTRIVED theory.

Yes, the CDC is -said- to be being investigating, and several universities have devoted fellows to researching it, but THIS DOES NOT CONFIRM THE EXISTANCE OF ANYTHING. This just confirms that enough people have bought into this and been infected with this meme, and enough people are posting pictures of their SCABS and other skin-dirt online that the CDC and other researchers wonder what the psychos are bitching about.

Cry me a fucking river.

 

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