Sunday, April 09, 2006

How do fibers get under the skin?

Fibers in Morgellons people are often described as being "under the skin", or "in the skin". They are also described as "coming out of the skin" when various liquids are applied.

However, the "under the skin" usually seems to refer to being "from a lesion", or "under a scab". Scabs form over several days, and it's quite possible the fibers might simply become mixed in with the normal lesion seepage, and become encased in the scab.

The skin's integrity has been compromised - there is a hole in it, so any kind of contaminant can get in it.

Likely sources of fibers:
- clothes
- tissues
- bedding
- pets
- airborne fibers from any number of sources

Another thing that might be mistaken for a fiber is a "vellus hair". This is a tiny hair, less than 30 microns in diameter, found all over the body, but almost invisible to the naked eye.

If some fibers are vellus hairs, then they are already in the skin. Ingrown hairs are possible explanation.

What about the application of liquid causing the fibers to come out?
- for fibers that are nearly invisible, getting them wet can change the refractive index, causing them to be more visible.
- coating fibers or hairs with a liquid increases their effective diameter, making them more noticeable.
- application of liquid can cause "goose-bumps", causing hairs (including vellus hairs) to stand on end, and become more noticeable. The bump in the skin may be interpreted as the fiber "pushing" itself out of the skin.
- wet skin will attract air-bourne fibers, which will then stick to the skin.
- applying the liquid will cause some hairs to stick to the skin, as the liquid dries they will gradually pop up, making it look like they are coming out of the skin.
- some liquids may make hairs and fibers actually less noticeable (depending on both the liquid and the fiber). Again, as the liquid dries, the hairs will become noticeable.
- some liquids contain salts. As they dry, they deposit the salts on the surface of vellus hairs, leading to increased visibility.


At 7:13 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are no lesions on my skin but fibes appear when I apply an astringent. This implies that they are squeezed from below my skin. They DO NOT come from the environment around the skin.

At 3:38 PM, Blogger Margellons said...

Do they look anything like the sebum plugs? See the teatree article.

At 4:34 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

They look nothing like sebum plugs. They look like short black fibres

At 5:20 PM, Blogger Margellons said...

Got any photos?

At 4:08 PM, Blogger Smileykins said...

I would be interested in seeing photos also. Short black fibers sounds like possible exposure to a sooty type environment. Have you examined that prospect? Astringent is only a surfactant cleanser to finish up with, sometimes, after regular skin cleansing, so I don't understand what the implication of squeezing from below your skin means. If you have no lesions, and are able to use an astringent, could you describe what symptoms you have?

Do you have a rash, or any macules, papules, nodules, vesicles, bulla, pustules, cysts, plaque, wheals, scales, ulcers, crusts, erosions, excoriations, lichenifications, atrophy, or scars from this condition...or just a heightened awareness of the fact that you have fibers when you glide over your skin with an astringent?

Moving on to something else now:

Persons with contact dermatitis can get a very itchy rash from head to toe, or in a confined area. The itching leads to scratching, which often leads to simultaneous infections. Can not treating the conditions in the correct manner exacerbate them?

Well, no, not in the case of morgellons sufferers. They're unique from the rest of us. If some of them come into contact with a substance that causes a reaction, a large portion of them describe it as their morgies reacting to it angrily. Many, then, attempt to kill the buggers with various methods.

Ignorant of immune processes, ignorant of personal health conditions that some have openly mentioned on message boards (and quite a few are open with telling what prescriptions they take for their specific health conditions, and, yet, they're making zero connections), they're blatantly open in proving their wish to remain ignorant, despite it all.

That is so paramount to the problem. Is a habitual cycle of researching things they haven't a clue as to what they're reading, as a "citizen scientist", conducive to the health of the individual? They refer to that, though, as a united fight for their cause.

An allergy is a misguided reaction by the immune system in response to bodily contact with certain foreign substances. It is misguided because these foreign substances are usually harmless and remain so to non-allergic people. Allergy-producing substances are called "allergens." Examples of allergens include pollens, dust mite, molds, danders, and foods. To understand the language of allergy it is important to remember that allergens are substances that are foreign to the body and can cause an allergic reaction in certain people.

Mayo Clinic researchers patch tested more than 1,500 patients with a series of up to 73 allergens in their study. The top 10 culprits:

-Nickel (nickel sulfate hexahydrate). A metal frequently encountered in jewelry and clasps or buttons on clothing.

-Gold (gold sodium thiosulfate). A precious metal often found in jewelry.

-Balsam of Peru (myroxylon pereirae). A fragrance used in perfumes and skin lotions, derived from tree resin.

-Thimerosal. A mercury compound used in local antiseptics and in as a preservative in some vaccines.

-Neomycin sulfate. A topical antibiotic common in first aid creams and ointments, also found occasionally in cosmetics, deodorant, soap, and pet food

-Fragrance mix. A group of the eight most common fragrance allergens found in foods, cosmetic products, insecticides, antiseptics, soaps, perfumes, and dental products.

*Formaldehyde. A preservative with multiple uses. It's found in paper products, paints, medications, household cleaners, cosmetic products, and fabric finishes.

Please read

-Cobalt chloride. Metal found in medical products; hair dye; antiperspirant; objects plated in metal such as snaps, buttons or tools; and in cobalt blue pigment.

-Bacitracin. A topical antibiotic.

-Quaternium 15. A preservative found in cosmetic products such as self-tanners, shampoo, nail polish, and sunscreen or in industrial products such as polishes, paints, and waxes.

I highly recommend anyone wishing to understand their skin problems to avail themselves in reading the pdf link
provided in the topic entitled, "Causes of Itching".

At 7:03 PM, Blogger Tall Cotton said...

The application of topical creams sometimes loosens sebum plugs, allowing infectious liquids that are pooled beneanth the epideris to extrude through the pores. This gives the material a hair-like shape. These quickly dry into semi-transparent hair-like fibers. Sometimes the end of the fiber will still be attached to the sebum plug. It's likely that these hair-like fibers are also charged statically as they jettison through the skin, acounting for their seemingly strange movements.

At 2:53 AM, Blogger Maverick Dragon said...

has anybody considered the possibility that this is just a parasitic plant? using humans as a host, maybe by spores entering the pores.


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